geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. >> vice president joe biden, secretary hillary clinton, compare and contrast. >> not a chance. here is what i'll say. both hillary and joe would make outstanding presidents and possess the qualities that are needed to be outstanding presidents. >> joining me now, fresh from his exclusive interview with president obama msnbc's chris matthews joining me from boston. he didn't bite. he's a smart guy. >> he did. >> yeah, he did. >> thank you. >> what's your takeaway? he seemed at once defensive but reflective like we don't usually see american presidents when still in office. >> part of the interview struck me as sad because it was not defeated but chastened is the right word. maybe i'll think of a better word as i think about it over the weekend. for the first time ever, howard fineman was with me and he told me afterwards. when you watch an interview you hear better because when you're doing the interview you think